My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB
 

I think this next time around the gun laws may include the following stricter measures in addition to the AWB restrictions:

1. All handguns registered and fitted with microstamping firing pins (even old ones retrofitted).

2. All semi-automatic rifles/carbines registered and transferred only with federal paperwork / tax.

I think now is the time to buy semi-automatic. It is commonly recognized that a semi-automatic weapon is more lethal than an automatic weapon. Be thankful you have the opportunity to buy semi-automatic, and get out there and stock up.

I won't buy any firearm that doesn't meet the following criteria:

1. Semi-automatic
2. High capacity (20+ rifle, 15+ handgun)
3. Black
4. Common caliber (.223, 7.62x39, 7.62 NATO, 9mm Luger, 45 ACP)

I think this is good advice in the current political climate. Mark my words -- Semi-automatic rifles will be put in the same (or similar) category as full-auto.

PS - I won't rule out the possibility that AWB 2.0 will be confiscatory. Learn to use a shovel, and buy at least one AW FTF.

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Let me also add some important 'bonus' features to look for :

5. Pistol grip + folding stock
6. Muzzle flashider
7. Shown in the Movies


:coolbeer:

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I disagree... I'd say that the worse the reputation (and appearance) the more likely it will be confiscated or draw undue attention to you. I'd say focus on "hunting" rifles that have the same capacity or capability.

For this reason I like the Marlin camp carbine (9mm), Ruger mini 10/14 (.223 / 7.62x39), and Browning BAR (.308). It isn't that hard to turn these rifles "black".

I'm not looking at the situation from an investment standpoint, but a defensive standpoint. I want to make sure I preserve a good measure of self-defense.

My favorite rifle is a Chinese SKS paratrooper (16") fully parkerized with black synthetic hardware and 20-round integral "star" magazine. The first impression looking at it is that it is a hunting gun. I think it is wise to cast that impression.

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the mini 14 will be banned. my leftist brother in law is always bitching about mine and "why do you need that? what good could it serve?"

i haven't ever shown him the AR 15, cobray, or AK.

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He is going to find out much sooner then he would have hoped



T

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I will always obey the LAW (and law-enforcers as long as they are acting legally). I believe it is my responsibility to God to submit to authority. At that point I put myself directly under God's protection. I will never, however, use my weapons against LEGAL authority. This is my ethic and moral code. Everyone needs to know what they believe, and understand how they will act in a given situation.

PS - Do you really think any individual can outgun ANY law enforcement agency with their military weapons? It is foolishness and romantic heroism.

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any ideas on how to document hat you have is legal? i have about 10 weapons that were "illegal" under under clinton that i bought under bush. now, they will probably become illegal again. how do i prove i bought them in the legal 8 year period? i have no receipts, as theey were al from private individuals. any ideas?

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Serial numbers & models

It's probably wise to start researching now because the default is 'illegal' if you cannot prove the date of manufacture.

:wink:

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But it still fun to stock up on weapons and ammo, thinking we can defeat anyone with what we have in the closet.

plus talking big on this forum- even though for all we know others on here might be only 14 years old, makes us feel good.

I can't think of anything worst for gun owners then Obama
maybe one thing married to a cop:applause_

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Oh, another idea is to compile a LOG book like FFL holders are required to do. The ATF really likes log books / records. It's not a surefire way but it beats trying to argue something like,

"Well I bought it from this guy just a few years ago..........not sure of where he got it though."

That'll just get you in trouble.

Anything in PRINT will stand-up in court if need be. Stay Legal.

-AD

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my AR is 100% home built from parts from like 10 places. any ideas on how to handle that?

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You're screwed..........buddy. :signs14:


Nahhhh......it's all hinged on the Receiver at that point and WHEN you built the darn thing.

Hopefully your Receiver's serial # doesn't date your weapon between 1994 and 2004.

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how do you find out? do i write to fulton armory and ask them when the lower was made?

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Yep, that's where I'd start.

:wink:

As for boating accidents, TA - I'm hoping that never happens to me again. :bawling:

Although, I can be a bit accident prone - especially when carrying valuable items with me. :biggrin:

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it just really pisses me off that i'm going to have to spend all this time documenting what i have is legal. i feel like a defacto "you are a criminal" edict is coming. i haven't done anything wrong, but i'm going to be a criminal soon if i don't do a bunch of extra shit i shouldn't have to in the first place.

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Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges." ............The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws."

Cornelius Tacitus 55-117 A.D.





T

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No offense intended to anyone here, but Jesus himself said that no man can serve two masters. If a govt or leader abuses its/his authority and does evil (e.g. King George III and parliament, Honest Abe, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, et. al.) then I don't feel an obligation to follow along peacefully. I answer to God, not the govt.

It seems like everyone who invokes Romans Ch. 13, directly or indirectly, seem to look the other way at situations such as abolitionists defying the Fugitive Slave Law before the War Between the States. Curious.

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I did not invoke Romans 13. However, I think the example of Polycarp should be well-heeded as honorable in the sight of God.

If the government enacts a law requiring me to violate God's law, then I will not honor that man-made law. I can, however, turn in my weapons without violating God's law. So if they show up at my door for them, I will turn them in.

http://www.earlychristianwritings.co...p-roberts.html

His pursuers then, along with horsemen, and taking the youth with them, went forth at supper-time on the day of the preparation with their usual weapons, as if going out against a robber. And being come about evening [to the place where he was], they found him lying down in the upper room of a certain little house, from which he might have escaped into another place; but he refused, saying, "The will of God be done." So when he heard that they were come, he went down and spake with them. And as those that were present marvelled at his age and constancy, some of them said. "Was so much effort made to capture such a venerable man? Immediately then, in that very hour, he ordered that something to eat and drink should be set before them, as much indeed as they cared for, while he besought them to allow him an hour to pray without disturbance. And on their giving him leave, he stood and prayed, being full of the grace of God, so that he could not cease for two full hours, to the astonishment of them that heard him, insomuch that many began to repent that they had come forth against so godly and venerable an old man.

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What is with all of this documentation talk? Don't you know that registration is only/always the first step to confiscation? Folks need to figure out (soon) whether they are going to comply with registration only to end up on a "real" list and forced to give them up in a couple of years anyways, not register them and become outlaws or sell them all now and at least get your money back (like I did) while it is still legal without documentation and be done with it. :wink: Bx3

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I in no way promote 'registered documentation'.

Self documentation on your own weapons is harmless. If questioned, then you'll have it ready to defend your position 'legally'. If all else fails, then it's lead bullets flyin' down your barrel.

Peace,
-AD

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Now that's ironic.
:36_3_12:

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I'm not worried about it.

My weapons are for protecting myself and my family from those unsavory types who would prey upon us. I owe them no respect or allegiance. Because I anticipate that criminals will have adequate (even illegal) firepower I must do everything in my power to tip the odds in my favor... humanly speaking. But remember that David killed Goliath with a single slung stone even though he picked up five stones from the stream.

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:biggrin:.........yeah, perhaps I should have put the words, "rest in" before it.

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In almost the entire history of man, one can not say that we are not living in the most interesting of times. Generations from now, our decendants will look back on us and judge whether we held the line or farted away their future. Bx3

:signs1:

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+10 :applause_

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So why waste your money buying them in the first place? Serious question.

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At the risk of goin' OT..

I came across another good rebuttal of the Rom. 13 mindset today.... just FYI

http://www.newswithviews.com/Gregory/williams100.htm

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That's sort of what I'd like to know too.

I'm not doubting your faith SLV. But it seems to me that giving in sheepishly to a weapons registration/confiscation scheme by a govt hellbent on enslaving you and your family (and/or outright murdering you and yours) would be foolish, and frankly, unbiblical.

Christians should have faith that God will protect us, but that doesn't mean we should be doing foolish things. I have faith God will protect me, but also I don't plan on playing hopscotch on Interstate 75 while lighting up a cigarette as passing motorists admire my hat made out of black powder.

If we don't agree, I'm fine with that. I'm not meaning to be dogging you. It is your choice and your conscience. Just very curious.

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Exactly, anyone who agrees with handing them over just put them up for SALE right now and collect your $$$$$$.

If you want to buy a few hunting rifles then so be it.

Many of us would be happy to buy more EBR's from those sheepish about the trouble ahead of us ~ just do us all a favor,

SELL ! SELL ! SELL !

:s9:

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Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1523099) I did not invoke Romans 13. However, I think the example of Polycarp should be well-heeded as honorable in the sight of God.

I'd have to say - in context that Polycarp was "ready" or had been commanded by God to give himself up. And of course he was in no condition to fight anyway.

I've got a family to protect. I am refraining from citing and posting scripture that makes me responsible for that. (because I know of your theological background)

I cannot submit. I cannot surrender. I cannot afford to stand by and let freedom be crushed.

We have lived in peace with this government as it has slowly squeezed the life of liberty away from its loyal and patriotic people for too long. I believe that we are seeing the twilight of that liberty. We have labored and debated and done all peacefully possible to keep this government in check and yet they continue to insist on filing down our liberty teeth. They are removing the ability of the people to govern. This is not the same system of government that we were intended to have.
There is nothing righteous in it any longer. They intend to RULE. They have stolen. They have killed and they have destroyed. That shows plainly who their true master is and that is why I cannot let them take the one thing that stands between it and I away. There is the context that I am living in.

I cannot see how there is any room for passivity at this point � there have been plenty of martyrs and there will be plenty more.

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Jesus commanded (and I read COMMANDED) his disciples to take a sword with them, and if they don't have a sword, to sell their coat and buy one.

35And He said to them, "When I sent you out without money belt and bag and sandals, you did not lack anything, did you?" They said, "No, nothing."

36And He said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one.

37"For I tell you that this which is written must be fulfilled in Me, 'AND HE WAS NUMBERED WITH TRANSGRESSORS'; for that which refers to Me has its fulfillment." Luke 22:35-37

If you give up your weapons when they ask now, what are you going to do when they come to kill you, your wife, and your daughters...or at least enslave them. How are you going to protect them then?

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Consider that the purpose of that command was to make sure that Peter had one so he could hack off Malchus's ear in the Garden of Gesthemene when Judas came with a mob to arrest Jesus. And remember at that moment Jesus rebuked him and told him to put away the sword. "Those that live by the sword, die by the sword."

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SLV: Do you believe that the American Revolution was immoral? If submission to authority is required, then surely revolt over something as silly as taxes was unjust.

What sort of reparations should be for such a transgression?

Also, how do you explain the repeated revolt of the Jews when in captivity? Why would God command such activity if it is immoral?

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As long as they are legal they are the best means I have of protecting myself and my family. Once they are outlawed I will be armed with blades and arrows. If they outlaw those, then it will be whips and clubs, etc.

I do not own guns to oppose a tyrannical government EVEN THOUGH that IS the purpose of the second ammendment. I do not accept the Constitution as being inspired by God, nor do I believe our country was founded as a "Christian" country. Even if the government legalizes that which violates God's law (as it has in many regards) I do not feel justified in taking those liberties.

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Another verse says is, "Put it back in its PLACE." (Matthew) It has a place. No, we do not live by the sword but by the Word of God and for the will of God.

"Blessed be the Lord my rock, who trains my hands for war, and my fingers for battle..."Psalm 144:1 Did David live by the sword?

Every believer should make his decision based on God's Word and the best, prayerfully considered leading by the Holy Spirit. My concern is that many Christians wouldn't know God's leading, even if He smote them with a 2x4. If you choose not to use deadly force, fine. That decision is really between you and God. There many Christians who believe God is leading them otherwise.

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I have thought about that very question. I believe that I would have opposed the revolution had I been living back then.

The only revolt of Jews while "in captivity" I can think of would be two: the Macabean revolt against the Greeks and the last stand at Masada against the Romans. The first was successful and the latter a failure. Neither of these events have any evidence that God had commanded the revolt.

In ALL cases of Biblical captivity (primarily Egypt and both Babylonian captivities) it was GOD who directly intervened to permit their release -- never a revolt.

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He was a "bloody man", and was therefore prohibited from constructing the temple. His son Soloman was a man of peace and therefore constructed the temple.

Remember that David was the head of state and as such commanded an army for the defense of the nations territory. Even Romans 13 justifies the government in exercising force in national defense.

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There are a lot of romanticists on GIM regarding violent confrontation. I almost think some will be disappointed if they don't get a chance to shoot at police officers. Violence is never fun; it is never good.

"Blessed are the peace-makers" - Jesus

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still cant figure that out....


http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/copyChkboxOff.gif1Ki 11:4For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, [that] his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as [was] the heart of David his father.

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Wrong. He had the innocent blood of Bathsheba's husband on his hands, not of conquered foes.

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1 Chronicles 28
2 Then King David rose to his feet and said, "Listen to me, my brethren and my people; I had intended to build a permanent home for the ark of the covenant of the LORD and for the footstool of our God. So I had made preparations to build it.
3 "But God said to me, ‘You shall not build a house for My name because you are a man of war and have shed blood.’

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Right -For example- God gave him strength to kill Goliath... which subsequently led to the route of the Phillistine army.

not to rag ya- but this is an interesting discussion

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http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/...2&byte=1022066
King of Moab killed to free Israel. If it is wrong, why would God have him do it?

Not advocating violence, just saying that these things are not so simple one way or the other.

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The conquest of Canaan has been a long-debated ethical question. Probably not served best in this thread.

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I believe this is God's judgement against David and why he wasn't allowed to build the temple...

7 Nathan then said to David, "You are the man! Thus says the LORD God of Israel, 'It is I who anointed you king over Israel and it is I who delivered you from the hand of Saul.

8 'I also gave you your master's house and your master's wives into your care, and I gave you the house of Israel and Judah; and if that had been too little, I would have added to you many more things like these!

9 'Why have you despised the word of the LORD by doing evil in His sight? You have struck down Uriah the Hittite with the sword, have taken his wife to be your wife, and have killed him with the sword of the sons of Ammon.

10 'Now therefore, the sword shall never depart from your house, because you have despised Me and have taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your wife.'

11 "Thus says the LORD, 'Behold, I will raise up evil against you from your own household; I will even take your wives before your eyes and give them to your companion, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight.

12 'Indeed you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel, and under the sun.'" 2 Samuel 12:7-12

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Don't forget, Goliath had four brothers. David knew he only needed one stone for Goliath, but I think he was ready for all five of them. :ok: